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@AshishMahabal

Hello @lundmb, @keatonb, @phartigan, @pmmcgehee, @ShashiKanbur,

Can you please answer Zeljko's question (#494) as they pertain to your metrics and objects of interest as applicable? Answer as many as possible though not all may pertain to your case(s). That will help us with the summary of what has been accomplished so far.

A general call to this effect had gone out to TVS earlier and a few members had replied. Other members should feel free to reply as well.

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  1. keatonb commented on Aug 19, 2016

    @keatonb
    Contributor

    Hi @AshishMahabal

    I strongly agree with @StephenRidgway's responses, adding one comment that I repeat here from the email exchange last week regarding question 3:

    For many types of variables, I think one of the major strengths that LSST brings to the table (over, say, Kepler) is amplitude measurements through many filters. I explore this for the pulsating white dwarf case study in Section 5.3 of the white paper. By doubling the exposure time of the u-band observations and bringing them out of the read-noise-dominated regime, the increase in the relatively small number of objects that reach meaningful S/N in u' outweighs the decrease in the number of objects that reach significant S/N in other bands. For this reason, I advocate for the 60s u' band visits. I imagine that the benefit is similar for other variables and transients, though this can be tested by analyzing available OpSIM outputs with MAF.

    Best,
    Keaton

  2. pmmcgehee commented on Aug 19, 2016

    @pmmcgehee
    Contributor

    I'll have a look at the PMS issues, including how LSST can (or not) recover
    color variations in irregular variables.

    Greetings to the Tucson hordes.
    Peregrine

    On Aug 18, 2016 16:13, "Ashish Mahabal" notifications@github.com wrote:

    Hello @lundmb https://github.com/lundmb, @keatonb
    https://github.com/keatonb, @phartigan https://github.com/phartigan,
    @pmmcgehee https://github.com/pmmcgehee, @ShashiKanbur
    https://github.com/ShashiKanbur,

    Can you please answer Zeljko's question (#494)
    #494
    as they pertain to your metrics and objects of interest as applicable?
    Answer as many as possible though not all may pertain to your case(s). That
    will help us with the summary of what has been accomplished so far.

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  3. tonytyson commented on Aug 19, 2016

    @tonytyson
    Contributor

    This helps photometric redshifts as well.
    Tony

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Aug 18, 2016, at 18:22, Keaton Bell notifications@github.com wrote:

    Hi @AshishMahabal

    I strongly agree with @StephenRidgway's responses, adding one comment that I repeat here from the email exchange last week regarding question 3:

    For many types of variables, I think one of the major strengths that LSST brings to the table (over, say, Kepler) is amplitude measurements through many filters. I explore this for the pulsating white dwarf case study in Section 5.3 of the white paper. By doubling the exposure time of the u-band observations and bringing them out of the read-noise-dominated regime, the increase in the relatively small number of objects that reach meaningful S/N in u' outweighs the decrease in the number of objects that reach significant S/N in other bands. For this reason, I advocate for the 60s u' band visits. I imagine that the benefit is similar for other variables and transients, though this can be tested by analyzing available OpSIM outputs with MAF.

    Best,
    Keaton

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  4. phartigan commented on Aug 19, 2016

    @phartigan
    Contributor

    I replied to this on August 12. Here is a copy of what I sent:

    Dear Anish,

    My comments on your bullet points for young stars variability. Much of this
    already covered in our writeup, but a few were not, so I've added some
    comments.

    Regards,

    Pat Hartigan

    1. Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the sky coverage
      and coadded depth?
      For example, should we maximize the sky coverage (to ~30,000 sq. deg.,
      as e.g. Pan-STARRS)
      or the number of detected galaxies (the current baseline with 18,000
      sq. deg.)?

    Most young stars congregate into clusters in specific regions, though
    there is an older
    population that is more distributed. The vast majority are within ~ 25
    degrees of the
    galactic plane.

    1. Can you place constraints on the trade between uniformity of
      sampling and frequency of
      sampling? For example, a rolling cadence can provide enhanced sample
      rates over part or all
      of the survey part of the time, at the cost of reduced sample rate the
      rest of the time (while
      maintaining the nominal total visit counts).

    We discuss this in our section. To obtain the best constraints on
    periods, a time-intensive
    (~ one week/year) campaign on a few selected regions is warranted.
    Nominal coverage over the
    galactic plane will suffice to identify eruptive variables.

    1. Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the single-visit
      depth and the number
      of visits? Especially in the u band, where longer exposures would
      minimize the impact of the
      readout noise.

    All the numbers for this are in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the Galactic plane coverage (spatial
      coverage, temporal
      sampling, visits per band)?

    Nominal sampling is fine for eruptive variable detection. The
    advantages and requirements
    of a directed ~week-long campaign on a specific region are described
    in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the fractions of observing time
      allocated to each band?

    The exposure time ratios in each band are noted in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the cadence for deep drilling fields?

    Again, discussed in our section where we describe a dedicated project
    on a specific
    region.

    1. Assuming two visits per night, should they be obtained in the same
      band or not?

    For the nominal sampling it doesn't matter too much. If they are taken
    in the same band
    it means better sampling for periods. With different bands it means a
    lightcurve in two bands,
    which is also useful. It's probably a wash, and we can follow whatever
    the drivers are for
    other science.

    1. Would your science benefit from a special cadence prescription
      during commissioning or
      early in the survey, such as: acquiring a full 10-yr count of visits
      for a small area (either in all or in selected bands); a greatly
      enhanced cadence for a small area?

    Yes, definitely. We ought to see what we can get out of a dedicated ~week long
    LSST cadence on a single region. If the results are impressive we
    could do that on a different
    region every year (or even return to the same region)

    1. Do you have constraints for sampling of observing conditions (e.g.
      seeing, dark sky,
      airmass), possibly as a function of band, etc.?

    Better seeing helps with unresolved binaries and for regions where
    contamination comes
    into play, for example, in the plane but away from dark clouds. Some
    of the fainter objects
    will be affected if the Moon is very bright and close. However
    generally these constraints
    are probably in a 'typical' category and not as stringent as those for
    say, deep lensing.

    1. Do you have science drivers that would require real-time exposure
      time optimization
      to obtain nearly constant single-visit limiting depth?

    Don't think so.

    Hello @lundmb, @keatonb, @phartigan, @pmmcgehee, @ShashiKanbur,

    Can you please answer Zeljko's question
    (#494) as they pertain to your metrics and objects of interest as applicable? Answer as many as possible though not all may pertain to your case(s). That will help us with the summary of what has been accomplished so
    far.

    A general call to this effect had gone out to TVS earlier and a few
    members had replied. Other members should feel free to reply as well.

    You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
    Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:
    #526

  5. pmmcgehee commented on Aug 20, 2016

    @pmmcgehee
    Contributor

    Hi Ashish and all,

    I am following up on Pat's recent repost concerning young stars,
    specifically the outlined proposed dense coverage (section 5.4.3). YSO with
    ongoing disk accretion exhibit irregular magnitude and color variations on
    time scales of a few days or shorter. While the nominal LSST cadence will
    suffice for detection of this class of objects, characterization is greater
    enhanced by having color information. This issue is common across a variety
    of non-periodic variables including CVs and AGN. I note that in Section
    8.2.2 (AGN/AGB Selection and Census/Metrics) the following is proposed,
    which could be adopted for studying the impact of YSO selection and science.

    "3) Assess the effect of non-simultaneous colors on AGN selection. First,
    the term color should be clearly defined. Potential definitions include the
    difference between the co-adds in two bands for the entire survey (or at a
    certain point in time during the survey), the difference between the median
    magnitude in each band during the survey, or the difference between
    observations in two bands that are closely spaced in time. Next, each
    source would be represented as an ellipse in color-color space. The aim is
    to assess the sizes of the ellipses and how these sizes could be minimized
    by perturbing the current cadence."

    This concerns Zeljko's questions 2,4,6, and 8, which Pat points to the
    dense coverage observations. The proposal outline is
    "These goals can be accomplished by having a week every year where one or
    more selected fields
    are observed once every 30 minutes in u, r and z. A young star with a 2-day
    period sampled every
    30 minutes provides a data point every 0.01 in phase. For the best-case
    scenario, observing for 7
    nights and 10 hours per night would yield 140 photometric points in each
    filter."
    I concur that this is a suitable selection of filters and observation
    timings for study of both diskless and disked YSOs, but the schedule for
    filter switching is not specified.

    A question for the operations experts - in the context of a specialized
    7-day observing program, what are the constraints on the scheduling of
    filter switching?

    Best regards,
    Peregrine

    On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:17 AM, phartigan notifications@github.com
    wrote:

    1. Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the sky coverage
      and coadded depth?
      For example, should we maximize the sky coverage (to ~30,000 sq. deg.,
      as e.g. Pan-STARRS)
      or the number of detected galaxies (the current baseline with 18,000
      sq. deg.)?

    Most young stars congregate into clusters in specific regions, though
    there is an older
    population that is more distributed. The vast majority are within ~ 25
    degrees of the
    galactic plane.

    1. Can you place constraints on the trade between uniformity of
      sampling and frequency of
      sampling? For example, a rolling cadence can provide enhanced sample
      rates over part or all
      of the survey part of the time, at the cost of reduced sample rate the
      rest of the time (while
      maintaining the nominal total visit counts).

    We discuss this in our section. To obtain the best constraints on
    periods, a time-intensive
    (~ one week/year) campaign on a few selected regions is warranted.
    Nominal coverage over the
    galactic plane will suffice to identify eruptive variables.

    1. Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the single-visit
      depth and the number
      of visits? Especially in the u band, where longer exposures would
      minimize the impact of the
      readout noise.

    All the numbers for this are in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the Galactic plane coverage (spatial
      coverage, temporal
      sampling, visits per band)?

    Nominal sampling is fine for eruptive variable detection. The
    advantages and requirements
    of a directed ~week-long campaign on a specific region are described
    in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the fractions of observing time
      allocated to each band?

    The exposure time ratios in each band are noted in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the cadence for deep drilling fields?

    Again, discussed in our section where we describe a dedicated project
    on a specific
    region.

    1. Assuming two visits per night, should they be obtained in the same
      band or not?

    For the nominal sampling it doesn't matter too much. If they are taken
    in the same band
    it means better sampling for periods. With different bands it means a
    lightcurve in two bands,
    which is also useful. It's probably a wash, and we can follow whatever
    the drivers are for
    other science.

    1. Would your science benefit from a special cadence prescription
      during commissioning or
      early in the survey, such as: acquiring a full 10-yr count of visits
      for a small area (either in all or in selected bands); a greatly
      enhanced cadence for a small area?

    Yes, definitely. We ought to see what we can get out of a dedicated ~week
    long
    LSST cadence on a single region. If the results are impressive we
    could do that on a different
    region every year (or even return to the same region)

    1. Do you have constraints for sampling of observing conditions (e.g.
      seeing, dark sky,
      airmass), possibly as a function of band, etc.?

    Better seeing helps with unresolved binaries and for regions where
    contamination comes
    into play, for example, in the plane but away from dark clouds. Some
    of the fainter objects
    will be affected if the Moon is very bright and close. However
    generally these constraints
    are probably in a 'typical' category and not as stringent as those for
    say, deep lensing.

    1. Do you have science drivers that would require real-time exposure
      time optimization
      to obtain nearly constant single-visit limiting depth?

    Don't think so.

    Hello @lundmb, @keatonb, @phartigan, @pmmcgehee, @ShashiKanbur,

    Can you please answer Zeljko's question
    [(#494)](https://github.com/LSSTScienceCollaborations/
    ObservingStrategy/issues/494) as they pertain to your metrics and objects
    of interest as applicable? Answer as many as possible though not all may
    pertain to your case(s). That will help us with the summary of what has
    been accomplished so
    far.

    A general call to this effect had gone out to TVS earlier and a few
    members had replied. Other members should feel free to reply as well.

    You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
    Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:
    https://github.com/LSSTScienceCollaborations/
    ObservingStrategy/issues/526

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    Santa Clarita, CA (626) 993-4199

  6. phartigan commented on Aug 20, 2016

    @phartigan
    Contributor

    All,

    On YSO issues...
    It is definitely worthwhile to have reliable colors. For YSO's there
    is no evidence that 'simultaneous' needs to be closer than an hour. But they
    should be done on the same night if we can. In the u, r, z plan we
    described in the
    document and Peregrine reiterated below, I had assumed that the intensive
    monitoring phase would be a week where each of u, r, and z were followed each
    night. So effectively these all generate simultaneous colors.

    For the eruptive variables I think everyone would be happy if the photometry
    was all done on the same night, less happy if it was a few days apart
    (maybe ok
    if one could interpolate), and unhappy if the gap was more than a
    week. Some of
    this will depend on how well the archive is used and whether an alert
    is triggered
    on short notice. If so, then certainly any new FU Ori or EX Ori
    variable can be
    followed up on another telescope. They are rare enough to warrant following
    each one on short notice. But if the FU Ori isn't noticed until 10 months
    after the fact, then the opportunity to get lightcurves in many colors
    during the
    crucial rise phase is lost, and we have to rely on how LSST was
    operating at the
    time of the discovery.

    ph

    Hi Ashish and all,

    I am following up on Pat's recent repost concerning young stars,
    specifically the outlined proposed dense coverage (section 5.4.3). YSO with
    ongoing disk accretion exhibit irregular magnitude and color variations on
    time scales of a few days or shorter. While the nominal LSST cadence will
    suffice for detection of this class of objects, characterization is greater
    enhanced by having color information. This issue is common across a variety
    of non-periodic variables including CVs and AGN. I note that in Section
    8.2.2 (AGN/AGB Selection and Census/Metrics) the following is proposed,
    which could be adopted for studying the impact of YSO selection and science.

    "3) Assess the effect of non-simultaneous colors on AGN selection. First,
    the term color should be clearly defined. Potential definitions include the
    difference between the co-adds in two bands for the entire survey (or at a
    certain point in time during the survey), the difference between the median
    magnitude in each band during the survey, or the difference between
    observations in two bands that are closely spaced in time. Next, each
    source would be represented as an ellipse in color-color space. The aim is
    to assess the sizes of the ellipses and how these sizes could be minimized
    by perturbing the current cadence."

    This concerns Zeljko's questions 2,4,6, and 8, which Pat points to the
    dense coverage observations. The proposal outline is
    "These goals can be accomplished by having a week every year where one or
    more selected fields
    are observed once every 30 minutes in u, r and z. A young star with a 2-day
    period sampled every
    30 minutes provides a data point every 0.01 in phase. For the best-case
    scenario, observing for 7
    nights and 10 hours per night would yield 140 photometric points in each
    filter."
    I concur that this is a suitable selection of filters and observation
    timings for study of both diskless and disked YSOs, but the schedule for
    filter switching is not specified.

    A question for the operations experts - in the context of a specialized
    7-day observing program, what are the constraints on the scheduling of
    filter switching?

    Best regards,
    Peregrine

    On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:17 AM, phartigan notifications@github.com
    wrote:

    1. Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the sky coverage
      and coadded depth?
      For example, should we maximize the sky coverage (to ~30,000 sq. deg.,
      as e.g. Pan-STARRS)
      or the number of detected galaxies (the current baseline with 18,000
      sq. deg.)?

    Most young stars congregate into clusters in specific regions, though
    there is an older
    population that is more distributed. The vast majority are within ~ 25
    degrees of the
    galactic plane.

    1. Can you place constraints on the trade between uniformity of
      sampling and frequency of
      sampling? For example, a rolling cadence can provide enhanced sample
      rates over part or all
      of the survey part of the time, at the cost of reduced sample rate the
      rest of the time (while
      maintaining the nominal total visit counts).

    We discuss this in our section. To obtain the best constraints on
    periods, a time-intensive
    (~ one week/year) campaign on a few selected regions is warranted.
    Nominal coverage over the
    galactic plane will suffice to identify eruptive variables.

    1. Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the single-visit
      depth and the number
      of visits? Especially in the u band, where longer exposures would
      minimize the impact of the
      readout noise.

    All the numbers for this are in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the Galactic plane coverage (spatial
      coverage, temporal
      sampling, visits per band)?

    Nominal sampling is fine for eruptive variable detection. The
    advantages and requirements
    of a directed ~week-long campaign on a specific region are described
    in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the fractions of observing time
      allocated to each band?

    The exposure time ratios in each band are noted in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the cadence for deep drilling fields?

    Again, discussed in our section where we describe a dedicated project
    on a specific
    region.

    1. Assuming two visits per night, should they be obtained in the same
      band or not?

    For the nominal sampling it doesn't matter too much. If they are taken
    in the same band
    it means better sampling for periods. With different bands it means a
    lightcurve in two bands,
    which is also useful. It's probably a wash, and we can follow whatever
    the drivers are for
    other science.

    1. Would your science benefit from a special cadence prescription
      during commissioning or
      early in the survey, such as: acquiring a full 10-yr count of visits
      for a small area (either in all or in selected bands); a greatly
      enhanced cadence for a small area?

    Yes, definitely. We ought to see what we can get out of a dedicated ~week
    long
    LSST cadence on a single region. If the results are impressive we
    could do that on a different
    region every year (or even return to the same region)

    1. Do you have constraints for sampling of observing conditions (e.g.
      seeing, dark sky,
      airmass), possibly as a function of band, etc.?

    Better seeing helps with unresolved binaries and for regions where
    contamination comes
    into play, for example, in the plane but away from dark clouds. Some
    of the fainter objects
    will be affected if the Moon is very bright and close. However
    generally these constraints
    are probably in a 'typical' category and not as stringent as those for
    say, deep lensing.

    1. Do you have science drivers that would require real-time exposure
      time optimization
      to obtain nearly constant single-visit limiting depth?

    Don't think so.

    Hello @lundmb, @keatonb, @phartigan, @pmmcgehee, @ShashiKanbur,

    Can you please answer Zeljko's question
    [(#494)](https://github.com/LSSTScienceCollaborations/
    ObservingStrategy/issues/494) as they pertain to your metrics and objects
    of interest as applicable? Answer as many as possible though not all may
    pertain to your case(s). That will help us with the summary of what has
    been accomplished so
    far.

    A general call to this effect had gone out to TVS earlier and a few
    members had replied. Other members should feel free to reply as well.

    You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
    Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:
    https://github.com/LSSTScienceCollaborations/
    ObservingStrategy/issues/526

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    Dr. Peregrine M. McGehee
    Santa Clarita, CA (626) 993-4199

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  7. pmmcgehee commented on Aug 20, 2016

    @pmmcgehee
    Contributor

    Pat,

    Thanks for expanding on the possible filter change timing. That's also an
    important point concerning Target of Opportunity follow-up of eruptive YSOs
    (FuOR/ExOR). I note that the only discussion in the Observing Strategy
    document of using LSST in a ToO mode is in the content of Gravitational
    Wave event follow-ups, so presume that other resources will be brought to
    bear for star formation studies.

    Best regards,
    Peregrine

    On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 11:45 AM, phartigan notifications@github.com
    wrote:

    All,

    On YSO issues...
    It is definitely worthwhile to have reliable colors. For YSO's there
    is no evidence that 'simultaneous' needs to be closer than an hour. But
    they
    should be done on the same night if we can. In the u, r, z plan we
    described in the
    document and Peregrine reiterated below, I had assumed that the intensive
    monitoring phase would be a week where each of u, r, and z were followed
    each
    night. So effectively these all generate simultaneous colors.

    For the eruptive variables I think everyone would be happy if the
    photometry
    was all done on the same night, less happy if it was a few days apart
    (maybe ok
    if one could interpolate), and unhappy if the gap was more than a
    week. Some of
    this will depend on how well the archive is used and whether an alert
    is triggered
    on short notice. If so, then certainly any new FU Ori or EX Ori
    variable can be
    followed up on another telescope. They are rare enough to warrant following
    each one on short notice. But if the FU Ori isn't noticed until 10 months
    after the fact, then the opportunity to get lightcurves in many colors
    during the
    crucial rise phase is lost, and we have to rely on how LSST was
    operating at the
    time of the discovery.

    ph

    Hi Ashish and all,

    I am following up on Pat's recent repost concerning young stars,
    specifically the outlined proposed dense coverage (section 5.4.3). YSO
    with
    ongoing disk accretion exhibit irregular magnitude and color variations
    on
    time scales of a few days or shorter. While the nominal LSST cadence will
    suffice for detection of this class of objects, characterization is
    greater
    enhanced by having color information. This issue is common across a
    variety
    of non-periodic variables including CVs and AGN. I note that in Section
    8.2.2 (AGN/AGB Selection and Census/Metrics) the following is proposed,
    which could be adopted for studying the impact of YSO selection and
    science.

    "3) Assess the effect of non-simultaneous colors on AGN selection. First,
    the term color should be clearly defined. Potential definitions include
    the
    difference between the co-adds in two bands for the entire survey (or at
    a
    certain point in time during the survey), the difference between the
    median
    magnitude in each band during the survey, or the difference between
    observations in two bands that are closely spaced in time. Next, each
    source would be represented as an ellipse in color-color space. The aim
    is
    to assess the sizes of the ellipses and how these sizes could be
    minimized
    by perturbing the current cadence."

    This concerns Zeljko's questions 2,4,6, and 8, which Pat points to the
    dense coverage observations. The proposal outline is
    "These goals can be accomplished by having a week every year where one or
    more selected fields
    are observed once every 30 minutes in u, r and z. A young star with a
    2-day
    period sampled every
    30 minutes provides a data point every 0.01 in phase. For the best-case
    scenario, observing for 7
    nights and 10 hours per night would yield 140 photometric points in each
    filter."
    I concur that this is a suitable selection of filters and observation
    timings for study of both diskless and disked YSOs, but the schedule for
    filter switching is not specified.

    A question for the operations experts - in the context of a specialized
    7-day observing program, what are the constraints on the scheduling of
    filter switching?

    Best regards,
    Peregrine

    On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:17 AM, phartigan notifications@github.com
    wrote:

    1. Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the sky coverage
      and coadded depth?
      For example, should we maximize the sky coverage (to ~30,000 sq. deg.,
      as e.g. Pan-STARRS)
      or the number of detected galaxies (the current baseline with 18,000
      sq. deg.)?

    Most young stars congregate into clusters in specific regions, though
    there is an older
    population that is more distributed. The vast majority are within ~ 25
    degrees of the
    galactic plane.

    1. Can you place constraints on the trade between uniformity of
      sampling and frequency of
      sampling? For example, a rolling cadence can provide enhanced sample
      rates over part or all
      of the survey part of the time, at the cost of reduced sample rate the
      rest of the time (while
      maintaining the nominal total visit counts).

    We discuss this in our section. To obtain the best constraints on
    periods, a time-intensive
    (~ one week/year) campaign on a few selected regions is warranted.
    Nominal coverage over the
    galactic plane will suffice to identify eruptive variables.

    1. Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the single-visit
      depth and the number
      of visits? Especially in the u band, where longer exposures would
      minimize the impact of the
      readout noise.

    All the numbers for this are in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the Galactic plane coverage (spatial
      coverage, temporal
      sampling, visits per band)?

    Nominal sampling is fine for eruptive variable detection. The
    advantages and requirements
    of a directed ~week-long campaign on a specific region are described
    in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the fractions of observing time
      allocated to each band?

    The exposure time ratios in each band are noted in our section.

    1. Can you place constraints on the cadence for deep drilling fields?

    Again, discussed in our section where we describe a dedicated project
    on a specific
    region.

    1. Assuming two visits per night, should they be obtained in the same
      band or not?

    For the nominal sampling it doesn't matter too much. If they are taken
    in the same band
    it means better sampling for periods. With different bands it means a
    lightcurve in two bands,
    which is also useful. It's probably a wash, and we can follow whatever
    the drivers are for
    other science.

    1. Would your science benefit from a special cadence prescription
      during commissioning or
      early in the survey, such as: acquiring a full 10-yr count of visits
      for a small area (either in all or in selected bands); a greatly
      enhanced cadence for a small area?

    Yes, definitely. We ought to see what we can get out of a dedicated
    ~week
    long
    LSST cadence on a single region. If the results are impressive we
    could do that on a different
    region every year (or even return to the same region)

    1. Do you have constraints for sampling of observing conditions (e.g.
      seeing, dark sky,
      airmass), possibly as a function of band, etc.?

    Better seeing helps with unresolved binaries and for regions where
    contamination comes
    into play, for example, in the plane but away from dark clouds. Some
    of the fainter objects
    will be affected if the Moon is very bright and close. However
    generally these constraints
    are probably in a 'typical' category and not as stringent as those for
    say, deep lensing.

    1. Do you have science drivers that would require real-time exposure
      time optimization
      to obtain nearly constant single-visit limiting depth?

    Don't think so.

    Hello @lundmb, @keatonb, @phartigan, @pmmcgehee, @ShashiKanbur,

    Can you please answer Zeljko's question
    [(#494)](https://github.com/LSSTScienceCollaborations/
    ObservingStrategy/issues/494) as they pertain to your metrics and
    objects
    of interest as applicable? Answer as many as possible though not all may
    pertain to your case(s). That will help us with the summary of what has
    been accomplished so
    far.

    A general call to this effect had gone out to TVS earlier and a few
    members had replied. Other members should feel free to reply as well.

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