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A proposal came up in rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620 to slightly strengthen the requirements for references / Box to types with a slice tail.

@scottmcm do you have suggestions for how that should be worded?

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For unsized types, this check considers dynamic information from the metadata:
If `T` has an unsized tail of slice type (`[U]`), it is inhabited of the length encoded in the metadata is 0 or if `U` is inhabited.

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These two lines are for rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620. We didn't explicitly discuss this case in the opsem FCP.

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do you have suggestions for how that should be worded?

I don't have anything concrete.

At least as a mental model -- whether it can be phrased well for a reference I'm less sure -- I wonder if there's a general rule here like saying that the type in the reference must, including looking at the metadata, represent a well-formed and inhabited type. (Part of me wants to say it comes from an unsizing, but there's nothing to unsize to a struct Foo(u32, [f64]); kind of thing, so I don't think that works, but maybe someone can come up with a cleverer phrasing.)

Basically I wish the "length has to be zero for uninhabited elements" and "length bound for non-ZST elements is usize::MAX / sizeof(T)" kinds of things were just corollaries of the general rule, to avoid things like the rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620 (comment) concern.

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So what do you think about the wording I put in this PR?

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Thanks @RalfJung. We talked about this in the lang meeting and agreed we'd expect a lang FCP here if we're changing the language.

@rfcbot fcp merge lang

(Eliding opsem here as it's already been FCPed by the opsem team.)

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I reviewed the proposed rules both for unions and for references, and this looks reasonable to me.

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This makes me want a separate language construct for "no, I'm not doing partial overwrite silliness" because this rule has meant that unions are not usable for the cases I wanted, but if this is the right answer for FFI unions and such then so be it.

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🔔 This is now entering its final comment period, as per the review above. 🔔

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(Eliding opsem here as it's already been FCPed by the opsem team.)

FWIW the unsized type part hasn't been FCP'd by us yet, as mentioned above. We can do that in a separate issue or a joint FCP here.

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@rfcbot fcp cancel

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@traviscross proposal cancelled.

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Thanks @RalfJung.

@rfcbot fcp merge lang,opsem

(In addition to what was previously FCPed by opsem, opsem is signing off here on what RalfJ mentions in #2337 (comment).)

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@rfcbot reviewed

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FWIW @saethlin has ticked their box in rust-lang/unsafe-code-guidelines#620, that should be carried over.

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Comment on lines +155 to +156
For unsized types, this check considers dynamic information from the metadata:
In particular, if `T` has an unsized tail of slice type `[U]`, and if `U` is uninhabited, and if the length encoded in the metadata is non-zero, then the pointee is uninhabited.

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I feel like making inhabitedness depend on metadata values is not right / clean.

I would rather make this a separate restriction on the value of the metadata. That is, I would say something along the lines of "A reference or Box<T> must ... have valid metadata" and "slice metadata for a slice type with uninhabited elements, it must be 0".

This allows adding other restrictions in the future, such as the one mentioned by @scottmcm that slice metadata can at most be usize::MAX / size_of::<T>() (for non-ZSTs).

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We generally pretty consistently treat the metadata as telling us the "actual type" that we use to inspect the pointee. I think it would be odd do do something else here. It would look like an arbitrary set of rules, rather than just something that falls out of a more general principle.

This allows adding other restrictions in the future, such as the one mentioned by @scottmcm that slice metadata can at most be usize::MAX / size_of::() (for non-ZSTs).

As I mentioned in reply to Scott, that restriction is already present. It follows from the fact that the reference has to be dereferenceable for its actual dynamic size.

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